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Quick Memo To Liberals…

January 14, 2008

…The centre-left first split from the centre in 1920, then solidified that split in 1932, then reformed itself in 1961.

After 88 years, somehow I don’t think the centre-left is going to come back to the centre.

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  1. January 14, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    The NDP will certainly not be running to the Liberals simply just to get to the Liberals back in power. Talk about arrogance! Cherniak, a gentleman who has posted that he hates the NDP and cannot understands them, wants to “unite the left”. Maybe the Liberals should spend more time working on their leaky boat, instead of watching sail boats pass them by. Afterall, it was Canadian voters that kicked them out of office, not NDP voters.

  2. January 14, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Huh? I would say Dion has not moved Libs any closer to the centre. So not sure your place on the left there is all that safe at all…but go ahead reassure yourself if it makes you feel better.

  3. jcherniak
    January 14, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    There is a difference between the “left” which split from the Liberals into the CCF/NDP, and the “centre-left”, which goes back and forth.

  4. Northern BC Dipper
    January 14, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Woman at Mile 0,

    “Huh? I would say Dion has not moved Libs any closer to the centre. So not sure your place on the left there is all that safe at all…but go ahead reassure yourself if it makes you feel better.”

    Huh? You mean that all the rhetoric and writings that the Liberals put out stating that the Liberals are in the centre is not true? I’m not sure if your fellow party members will agree on you with that one.

    Cherniak,

    “There is a difference between the “left” which split from the Liberals into the CCF/NDP, and the “centre-left”, which goes back and forth.”

    I’d contend that the NDP is mostly composed and controlled by centre-left social democrats and “right” democratic socialists. The Liberals on the other hand, have a small centre-left social democrat/liberal contingent and a large centre contingent (and somewhat of a centre-right contingent).

    I’d say that the faultline of the split is somewhere in the right portion of the centre-left (if that makes sense).

  5. January 14, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Centre left – centre is quite the mish mash in Canada. As a die-hard Liberal voter I consider myself centre-centre left and that goes all the way down to the left side of centre left. I don’t have a box feel I need to tape myself into or anything on any issue. Why is it necessary anyways? Better to do what you think is right rather than what/where someone perceives the issue sits on a spectrum.

  6. January 14, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    I think that there are things that we should fear much more than a Conservative government. One of those things is a loss of our political diversity and autonomy. Jason Cherniak is endorsing a US-style two party system in which alternative ideas are effectively shut out of the political discourse. I think that Cherniak is misdiagnosing the problem here. What we need is to introduce an element of proportionality into our electoral system. This would ensure fair representation of all parties and encourage coalitions of like-minded parties to form compromises on policy. This would allow people to vote their conscience and eliminate much of the adversarial dimension of partisan debate in this country. Those who endorse strategic voting endorse the erosion of democracy.

  7. January 14, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    It’s especially odd to see this call from Cherniak, who, in the rare moments he stops praising the Liberal leader to talk policy, sound virtually indistinguishable from a Conservative and certainly further to the right than most Liberals.

  8. dirk
    January 15, 2008 at 2:44 am

    Liberals are always talking about crap like strategic voting,and uniting the left blah blah.But what they really mean is vote Liberal,it all about whats good for the Liberals them rather than whats good for Canadians(ordinary/working Cnd).
    The NDP and the Liberals are very different.Lets not forget its the Liberals that always legislate policies that weaken workers rights,i.e NAFTA Or have we forgotten the the two recent supreme court ruling that found two Prov Liberal government’s (B.C and Sask) labor legislation took away basic rights.Left my ass…
    I always though left meant strong support for working Cnd’s(union & non-union)while at the same time defending basic rights(not taking rights away) and democracy.Again left my ass…
    Devin nails it we need proportional representation not a two party system.

  9. dirk
    January 15, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    I said…”Or have we forgotten the the two recent supreme court ruling that found two Prov Liberal government’s (B.C and Sask) labor legislation took away basic rights.Left my ass”…

    that should be (B.c and Quebec) rather than (B.C and Sask)

  10. j
    January 24, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Dirk: Good one. Clearly, partisanship is genetic. Liberals were born to be narcissists and the NDP were born pure. I wish we could all be as righteous as you. We’ll keep trying, anyway.

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